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Friday, March 09, 2007

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J.D. Crane

Hallelujah. Let this be the first of many decisions putting some teeth back into the second amendment and dashing the hopes of those who desire a nation of victims.

BATTLE HYMN OF THE REPUBLIC

Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Lord;
He is trampling out the vintage where the grapes of wrath are stored;
He hath loosed the fateful lightning of His terrible swift sword;
His truth is marching on.
Glory! Glory! Hallelujah! Glory! Glory! Hallelujah!
Glory! Glory! Hallelujah! His truth is marching on.

I have seen Him in the watch fires of a hundred circling camps
They have builded Him an altar in the evening dews and damps;
I can read His righteous sentence by the dim and flaring lamps;
His day is marching on.
Glory! Glory! Hallelujah! Glory! Glory! Hallelujah!
Glory! Glory! Hallelujah! His day is marching on.

I have read a fiery Gospel writ in burnished rows of steel;
“As ye deal with My contemners, so with you My grace shall deal”;
Let the Hero, born of woman, crush the serpent with His heel,
Since God is marching on.
Glory! Glory! Hallelujah! Glory! Glory! Hallelujah!
Glory! Glory! Hallelujah! Since God is marching on.

He has sounded forth the trumpet that shall never call retreat;
He is sifting out the hearts of men before His judgment seat;
Oh, be swift, my soul, to answer Him! be jubilant, my feet;
Our God is marching on.
Glory! Glory! Hallelujah! Glory! Glory! Hallelujah!
Glory! Glory! Hallelujah! Our God is marching on.

In the beauty of the lilies Christ was born across the sea,
With a glory in His bosom that transfigures you and me:
As He died to make men holy, let us live to make men free;
[originally …let us die to make men free]
While God is marching on.
Glory! Glory! Hallelujah! Glory! Glory! Hallelujah!
Glory! Glory! Hallelujah! While God is marching on.

He is coming like the glory of the morning on the wave,
He is wisdom to the mighty, He is honor to the brave;
So the world shall be His footstool, and the soul of wrong His slave,
Our God is marching on.
Glory! Glory! Hallelujah! Glory! Glory! Hallelujah!
Glory! Glory! Hallelujah! Our God is marching on.

Hunc T. Caveto

JD, what I've never understood is that based on your experiences a former bouncer, how could you want to promote the idea of more people carrying weapons? How often do people get into stupid fights when drunk or otherwise that result in no more than a few scrapes and perhaps a bruised ego. Yet, you apparently would prefer angry and potentially drunk people carrying around loaded weapons on their hips ready to play wild west on every corner and in every bar.

Yes, there is crime outside of fights, and yes criminals will always be able to find weapons to arm themselves, but how many more victims will a fully armed society cause?

j.d.crane

Hunc, I support it for a very simple reason: It's in the contstitution. Also, unlike most of our other contributors, I grew up in a state that allowed people to carry concealed handguns. I have firsthand experience with the environment. When my state of birth allowed "concealed carry", handgun crime DROPPED 37% in the first year. I know this concept has been beaten into the ground, but, since most people still fail to acknowledge it, I'll state it again. The vast majority of shootings are performed by people who already have criminal records. They don't care if the law says you can't carry, they are CRIMINALS, they don't care. When you allow citizens their rights to carry, you even the playing field. Criminals don't know who's packing heat and who's not. I remember many times going out to eat, to movies, to do some shopping, where one or more of my friends was carrying a handgun. It's just not a big deal. In reference to me being a bouncer, let me add that during the two-plus years I worked there, we never had a handgun incident, period. Believe it or not, Hunc, most people are responsible. And after going through the mandatory course in order to get their concealed carry permit, they are even more responsible.

I also don't appreciate your attempt to bait me on an issue you admittedly have no experience with, but which I do:
"Yet, you apparently would prefer angry and potentially drunk people carrying around loaded weapons on their hips ready to play wild west on every corner and in every bar."

As the only one here with ANY experience working in bars in states with concealed carry laws, I'm telling you the scenario you claim is false. Compare the number of shootings in chicago over a weekend with any two or three cities from a concealed carry state on the same weekend, and you'll come to the inevitable conclusion that our fair, liberal and misguided state has a much higher incidence. In every state that has passed a concealed carry law, handgun crime has gone down.

Jurisconsultus

With my current experience living in a state that has concealed carry laws and damn near gives people guns when they move into the area, I must say that I do not feel any less safe because people may have concealed weapons on them. Honestly, I feel much safer in the Commonwealth of Virginia than I do in our nation's capital. Instances of gun violence are far greater in DC (which had a handgun ban for the last 31 years) than in Virginia (which allows for concealed carry and does not require registration of fire arms); however, the instances of suicide are higher in the Old Dominion. Is there a link there with the ease of obtaining a gun in the state?

Sui Generis

The stats to back JC up:

In VA, in 2004, the number of deaths from firearms in homicides was 295, out of a population of 7,481,332 people. The number of deaths from firearms in suicides was 494.

In DC, in 2004, the number of deaths from firearms in homicides was 137 out of a population of 554,239. The number of deaths from firearms in suicides was less than 20.

I think what this tells me is that people in VA like to kill themselves, and people in DC like to kill each other. What this has to do with ease of acquiring a handgun, I'm not sure. I think suicide often comes down to accessibility and ease, and guns are usually the best bet. Could the probable increase in the number of guns in the state [inferred perhaps incorrectly by the ease of obtaining a gun] be the cause? Difficult to say.

However, I think the percentages show that, above all, the suicide rate of Virginians by firearm is considerably lower than the homicide rate by firearm in DC. "Don't carry a knife into a gun fight." I want to be able to hold the same weapon as the person attacking me, and right now, DC doesn't let me do that.

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